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In the earliest stages of the war, prior to the USSR and PRC's real "unofficial" involvement, The KPAAF was absolutely pounded by superior UN airpower; Shooting Stars, Thunderjets, Meteors and Panthers. They were practically unopposed. After Pyongyang had been taken, she was among hundreds of PLAAF MiGs deployed in KPAAF colors to engage Western jets. Feeling an obligation to aid her comrades, she dealt with the aforementioned UN aeros and aircraft with almost sadistic zeal; if she wasn't 'claiming' them, she was aiming for cockpits. As she dealt with them further into the war, she felt that they were of little to no challenge to her. After she'd make her share of claims, she'd ultimately just begin mostly shooting them down. But then came the Saber, one of the only jets she'd ever recall being able to truly go toe to toe with her. They had speed on their side, but she had agility and altitude on hers.
The Saber posed such a challenge to her that she had been unable to really catch one for herself without being forced to shoot them down. But then, two weeks prior to the armistice, she had finally caught one in perfect condition, one that still resides in North Korea with her even to this day; Major Wilhelmina "Willy" Riley.
cornholio
Posted on 2018-11-10 07:25:43 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
I find this unlikely as the mig 15 was inferior in proformance to that of the f 86
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Posted on 2018-11-11 05:07:25 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
>the mig 15 was inferior in proformance
Untrue m8, the MIG-15 may have lacked some of the advanced electronics, but its performance as a plane matched the F-86 and its armament was superior. Also considering how the F-86s got slaughtered more often than the MiGs, I'd say that it doesn't matter if the F-86 had a slightly better technical rep-sheet, the real world was proof on its own.
“The MiG-15 surprised the hell out of us,” says National Air and Space Museum curator Robert van der Linden. Compared to the North American F-86 Sabre, hastily introduced in combat after the MiGs showed up, “the MiG was faster, could out climb it, and had more firepower,” he says. And Sabre pilots knew it. “You’re damned right it was intimidating,” says retired Air Force Lieutenant General Charles “Chick” Cleveland, remembering his first encounter with a MiG-15. He was flying a Sabre with the 334th Fighter-Intercepter Squadron over Korea in 1952. Only weeks before, the squadron commander, high-scoring World War II ace George Andrew Davis, was killed by the Soviet fighter. (Davis was posthumously awarded a Medal of Honor.) Now, pulling a tight turn to evade the MiG, Cleveland violated the Sabre’s unforgiving stall margin, snapped over, and briefly entered a spin, as he puts it, “right there in the middle of combat.” Cleveland survived his mistake to become a Korean War ace with five confirmed MiG kills and two probables. Today, he’s president of the American Fighter Aces Association and still has respect for his adversary of 60 years ago. “Oh, it was a wonderful airplane,” he says from his home in Alabama. “You have to remember that the little MiG-15 in Korea was successful doing what all the Focke-Wulfs and Messerschmitts of World War II were never able to do: Drive the United States bomber force right out the sky.” From November 1951, B-29s stayed on the ground during the day; bombing missions were flown only at night and under the cover of heavy escort protection.
While the number of American W.W.II fighter aces, who shot down 20 or more aircraft, barely exceeds two dozen, the number of Soviet aces, who shot down 29 or more aircraft is well over a hundred. The number of Soviet aces credited with shooting down 20 or more aircraft during the Second World War is in hundreds. [Soviet Aces of World War 2, Hugh Morgan, Osprey aerospace, 1998] This is a very important fact, considering that the Soviet pilots in Korea were represented by the best-of-the-best the VVS could offer. Many of the Second World War aces participated in the Korean War as pilots and commanders. This was a new era of jet aircraft, but the weapons used on aircraft were essentially the same old cannons and machine-guns taken from the propeller fighters of the W.W.II and most elements of air combat remained unchanged. There was an enormous gap is the number of experienced pilots in the US and the USSR after the Second World War. And this gap remained during the Korean War as well, allowing the Soviet VVS to attain a favorable 3.3:1 kill ratio against the UN aircraft. During the Korean War the VVS pilots flew 1,872 combat sorties and downed 1,106 US-made aircraft, of which 650 were F-86 "Sabres." In air combat over Korea against the VVS, Americans lost about two "Sabres" for every downed Soviet MiG-15. ["Russian Weapons: War and Peace," by Vladimir Babych, 1997] During the Korean War, the best American ace, Capt. MacConnel, was credited with shooting down 16 MiG-15s, while the best Soviet ace, Capt. Sutyagin, downed 23 American aircraft. ["Duel" N 20 (42) - 21(43), 1997] The gap between Soviet and American aces remained during the Korean War: there were 40 American aces who were credited with shooting down 5 or more enemy fighters, while the number of Soviet aces with 5 or more kills was 51. ["Duel" N 20 (42) - 21(43), 1997] The number of Soviet non-combat losses was only 10 aircraft. The number of non-combat losses, officially admitted by the US, is 945 ["The United States Air Force in Korea 1950-1953" by Robert Futrell]. This enormous number non-combat losses is a testament to the "superior" training of American pilots as well as to the attempts on the part of the US government and the military to present combat losses as "accidents." The Chinese and Korean air forces lost 231 fighters in combat, which brings the total number of MiG losses to 576 aircraft. The Americans claimed to have shot down 2,300 "Communist aircraft." [Aviation Encyclopedia, 1977, New-York] This was one of many wild claims made by the media and certain unscrupulous historians, contradicting even the USAF claims.
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Posted on 2018-11-12 04:25:53 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
Was it really necessary to write all of this though?
Posted on 2018-06-05 21:40:23 by Anonymous
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In the earliest stages of the war, prior to the USSR and PRC's real "unofficial" involvement, The KPAAF was absolutely pounded by superior UN airpower; Shooting Stars, Thunderjets, Meteors and Panthers. They were practically unopposed. After Pyongyang had been taken, she was among hundreds of PLAAF MiGs deployed in KPAAF colors to engage Western jets. Feeling an obligation to aid her comrades, she dealt with the aforementioned UN aeros and aircraft with almost sadistic zeal; if she wasn't 'claiming' them, she was aiming for cockpits. As she dealt with them further into the war, she felt that they were of little to no challenge to her. After she'd make her share of claims, she'd ultimately just begin mostly shooting them down. But then came the Saber, one of the only jets she'd ever recall being able to truly go toe to toe with her. They had speed on their side, but she had agility and altitude on hers.
The Saber posed such a challenge to her that she had been unable to really catch one for herself without being forced to shoot them down. But then, two weeks prior to the armistice, she had finally caught one in perfect condition, one that still resides in North Korea with her even to this day; Major Wilhelmina "Willy" Riley.
cornholio
Posted on 2018-11-10 07:25:43 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
I find this unlikely as the mig 15 was inferior in proformance to that of the f 86
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-11-11 05:07:25 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
>the mig 15 was inferior in proformance
Untrue m8, the MIG-15 may have lacked some of the advanced electronics, but its performance as a plane matched the F-86 and its armament was superior. Also considering how the F-86s got slaughtered more often than the MiGs, I'd say that it doesn't matter if the F-86 had a slightly better technical rep-sheet, the real world was proof on its own.
“The MiG-15 surprised the hell out of us,” says National Air and Space Museum curator Robert van der Linden. Compared to the North American F-86 Sabre, hastily introduced in combat after the MiGs showed up, “the MiG was faster, could out climb it, and had more firepower,” he says. And Sabre pilots knew it. “You’re damned right it was intimidating,” says retired Air Force Lieutenant General Charles “Chick” Cleveland, remembering his first encounter with a MiG-15. He was flying a Sabre with the 334th Fighter-Intercepter Squadron over Korea in 1952. Only weeks before, the squadron commander, high-scoring World War II ace George Andrew Davis, was killed by the Soviet fighter. (Davis was posthumously awarded a Medal of Honor.) Now, pulling a tight turn to evade the MiG, Cleveland violated the Sabre’s unforgiving stall margin, snapped over, and briefly entered a spin, as he puts it, “right there in the middle of combat.” Cleveland survived his mistake to become a Korean War ace with five confirmed MiG kills and two probables. Today, he’s president of the American Fighter Aces Association and still has respect for his adversary of 60 years ago. “Oh, it was a wonderful airplane,” he says from his home in Alabama. “You have to remember that the little MiG-15 in Korea was successful doing what all the Focke-Wulfs and Messerschmitts of World War II were never able to do: Drive the United States bomber force right out the sky.” From November 1951, B-29s stayed on the ground during the day; bombing missions were flown only at night and under the cover of heavy escort protection.
While the number of American W.W.II fighter aces, who shot down 20 or more aircraft, barely exceeds two dozen, the number of Soviet aces, who shot down 29 or more aircraft is well over a hundred. The number of Soviet aces credited with shooting down 20 or more aircraft during the Second World War is in hundreds. [Soviet Aces of World War 2, Hugh Morgan, Osprey aerospace, 1998] This is a very important fact, considering that the Soviet pilots in Korea were represented by the best-of-the-best the VVS could offer. Many of the Second World War aces participated in the Korean War as pilots and commanders. This was a new era of jet aircraft, but the weapons used on aircraft were essentially the same old cannons and machine-guns taken from the propeller fighters of the W.W.II and most elements of air combat remained unchanged. There was an enormous gap is the number of experienced pilots in the US and the USSR after the Second World War. And this gap remained during the Korean War as well, allowing the Soviet VVS to attain a favorable 3.3:1 kill ratio against the UN aircraft. During the Korean War the VVS pilots flew 1,872 combat sorties and downed 1,106 US-made aircraft, of which 650 were F-86 "Sabres." In air combat over Korea against the VVS, Americans lost about two "Sabres" for every downed Soviet MiG-15. ["Russian Weapons: War and Peace," by Vladimir Babych, 1997] During the Korean War, the best American ace, Capt. MacConnel, was credited with shooting down 16 MiG-15s, while the best Soviet ace, Capt. Sutyagin, downed 23 American aircraft. ["Duel" N 20 (42) - 21(43), 1997] The gap between Soviet and American aces remained during the Korean War: there were 40 American aces who were credited with shooting down 5 or more enemy fighters, while the number of Soviet aces with 5 or more kills was 51. ["Duel" N 20 (42) - 21(43), 1997] The number of Soviet non-combat losses was only 10 aircraft. The number of non-combat losses, officially admitted by the US, is 945 ["The United States Air Force in Korea 1950-1953" by Robert Futrell]. This enormous number non-combat losses is a testament to the "superior" training of American pilots as well as to the attempts on the part of the US government and the military to present combat losses as "accidents." The Chinese and Korean air forces lost 231 fighters in combat, which brings the total number of MiG losses to 576 aircraft. The Americans claimed to have shot down 2,300 "Communist aircraft." [Aviation Encyclopedia, 1977, New-York] This was one of many wild claims made by the media and certain unscrupulous historians, contradicting even the USAF claims.
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-11-12 04:25:53 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
Was it really necessary to write all of this though?
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